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Tony Devlin's avatar

While I certainly agree with you, we still have the problem of largely empty churches. This is perplexing as we have, quite literally, the most consumable doctrine of all. For all the celebration of baptisms each Easter, many of those people get discouraged and leave the church within a year. Pew reported last month that, for every one person received into the Catholic Church, another 8.4 individuals have left the faith, either altogether or for another worship tradition. There is a paradigm that many successful parishes have embrace, following the model from Fr. James Mallon's "Divine Renovation," of Belong, Believe, Behave. My parish embarked on this seven years ago and the response has been very positive. If people don't feel at home, loved, and accepted, they will not stick around for all the good that comes from faith. All of the elements of faithful worship are critical but, until the person feels welcome, they are not as effective. I will tell you the primary reason I returned to the Catholic church, rather than another Christian church was that I was accepted and welcomed lovingly every week by people who didn't know me.

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Dan Segal's avatar

And:

“Teaching is not something that can be reasoned to?”

Why not? Did you arrive at Catholicism by throwing darts blindfolded at a comparative religion poster on the wall? “Oh, good, I didn’t want to be Buddhist.”

And I’m not seeing the difference between “recognizing” one truth of Christianity and submitting to it, and the presuppositionalism Dr. Howe excels at refuting.

Indeed, a Calvinist could equally tell you that once you recognize the truth of Calvinism you will submit to it and be Calvinist. It’s a rhetorical trick, not an argument. Richard Howe goes so far (as a joke) as to ask presuppositionalists to presuppose Islam is true, whereupon all their objections to it will melt away

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